Dr. Abul Qadeer Khan & Atomic capability of pakistan....what r we doing today??

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by Raheel, Jul 9, 2006.

  1. Raheel Well-Known Member

    Aslam o alaikum,[IMG]

    Yeh baat sabney hi suni ho gee Waqt bahut zalim cheez hai. Woh jo aj hai, waqt key chungal mein phans sakta hai. Aj key hero, chamaktay sitaray, nayab goher, jinhain her koi salam paish kerta hai, kia maloom kal un key saath kia ho. Chand saatian, thora sa watq aur kuch na-masaid halat, in sab ko tarkiyoun mein ley ja saktay hain, phir in ki zindagee andheron mein guzar jati hai, koi poochney wala nahen hota, sab apni duniya mein magan hotey hain. kal tak jo un ko salam paish kerney walay, aj us key naam tak ko bhulla dein gay. baherhal mera maqsd waqt ko ya bhula denay walay logon ko kosna nahen hai. eik aisey hi gumnaam sitaray key baray mein baat kerna chahta hon, jo aj criminal hai, us ki koi zindagee nahen hai, mohsin e Pakistan ka laqb paney wala, aj humaray liay baais e nadamat hai Dr.Abdul Qadeer Khan key baray mein baat kerna chahta honpaksitan ko 7th atomic power bananey walaDr. A Q Khan

    Jab India ney, atomi dhamakay kiyay, tou Pakistan ko apni salamti aur baqa key liyay apney ap ko atomic power prove kerna para. 28th may ka who din, shaam 4,5 baje ka waqt, PM of Pakistan Nawaz Shareef ney radio aur TV per awam se khitaab kiya aur 17 din se jaree tension ko khattam ker diya, her kissi ko yeh bata diya keh Alhamdolilah aj Pakistan India ya kissi ka bhi munh torr jawab dey sakta hai, elaan sun ker mithayan banti gaein, Her jagha chagi aur Dr. A Q Khan key posters, paintings, models lagay aur banay gay, magar phir waqt key dharay ney sab kuch ulta diya. Pakistan mein govt. mein tabdeeli, 9/11, Al-Qaida, American anti terrorism war, aur Dr. A Q Khan eik criminal ban giya. sab halat se ap log waqif hon gay..aur un sab halat sey bhi waqif hon gey keh woh kia wajuhat thein jis kee wajha se yeh sab hua

    Aj hum ney apni atomic power ko bhulla kiun diya hai. Atomic power ka khaliq tou aj zindaan mein hai hi, tareeki mein zindagee guzar hi raha hai,magar hum ney sab kuch kiun bhlla diya. Youm e Takbeer ab sirf PML(N) ki hi hotee hai, hum ko tou shayed pata bhi nahen chalta keh aj 28th may hai. Magar han newspapers ka ehsaan hai keh woh eik heading laga detay hain tou humain bhi yaad a jata hai keh hum bhi atomic power hain..hum ney bhi dhamakey kiyay thay.aj hum sharminda hain keh hum atomi taqat hain, her jagha se apni is taqat key nishan mitta diyay hain. Woh models, banners, paintings, posters aj kahein nahen milein gay.

    Sochna yeh hai keh kia atomic bomb sirf Nawaz ka tha ya aj humain us ki zaroorat nahen hai, aur aj duniya kiun shak ker rahee hai keh Pakistan may have lost their atomic capability. Kia A Q Khan sirf tab hero tha, kia hum apney mohsin ko izat na sahee, zalil o kahwar honey se nahen bacha saktey..eik India ko dekh lein aj un ka atomic research leader un ka president hai. yaqeenan hum mein se koi yeh nahen sochta ho ga keh yeh sab theek hai aur Eik hakoomat badlney sey jo sab badla woh theek nahen tha.
    Tou kiun aj hum chup hain, apni zindagee mein magan hain, shayed kabhi kabhi chund lamhay sochtay hon gay, magar practically kiiun kuch nahen kertayagar humaree govt. ghalat ker rahee hai tou hum us ka saath kiun dey rahay hain. Opposition..huhopposition baqi her muamalay mein hakoomat se bahis ker saktee hai..wardee utaroo tahreek chala saktee haiapni siasat ko chamkaney key liyay 1000 kaam ker saktee hai. Mager kabhi kissi ne Dr. A Q Khan ka nahen sochakiun?...chalein hakoomat aur siyasat ko tou chhor dein, as a Pakistani hum kia ker rahay hain aur ker saktey hainhumain kia kerna chahiyay..woh shakhs jis ney netherlands se paksitan atomic power muntaqil kiakya hum us ko qaid se bahir nahen la sakteyab agar yahee sorat e haal rahay tou kal koi bhi apni jan per khail ker Pakistan key liaya koi bhi kerney ko razee nahen ho ga..aur ho bhi kiunap apney mulk key liyay itnaa kero aur jaza key tour per ap ko zilat o Gumnami mil jaikia aj hum apni tareekh ko badl saktey hainhumain kya kerna chahiyay...as a Pakistani student (as many of us are) kya ab bhi humain Dr. Q

  2. darth vader New Member

    salam raheel bro achi thread hai
    our govt didnt and not doin gud wid him but they atleast didn't gave him to any other country
    and it is not the work of only one man a group of professionals is recquird to transferr nuclear technology y da world blames abd-ul-Qadeer 4 dat

  3. Raheel Well-Known Member

    thanks for participation
    hmmm...

    achhi baat tou hai keh they are not allowing any other country to take him off...but i think is mein bhi govt. ka apna fayeda hai thats y govt is protecting him coz in else case pakistan ka wajood hi khatrey mein aa jay ga....yeah its true that it was'nt only qadeer who spread the atomic weapons, may be the Generals n the Officials also helped him...govt ki help key baghair kuch kerna possible nahen hai....n as far as this matter is concerned tou he is not an enemy of pakistan...kia us ne aj tak pakistan key khilaf kuch kiya hai, .......kaha jata hai keh us kee wajha se pakistan badnaam hua hai[IMG], lakin humaray mostly leaders jo kuch kertay hain woh sab bhi tou pakistan key naam per dhaba hain...[IMG]

    but the thing is what should we do now!!
    keh tou detay hain hum sab keh thats wrong..aur yeh sab se asaan hai...lakin hum kiun nahen roktay is cheez ko....kabhi practically kuch kerney ka kiun nahen sochtey[IMG]..

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    A simply EXCELLENT topic, Raheel. I appreciate the fact that you have brought it up for discussion here. [IMG]

    Jab main apne Pakistani heroes aur role-models ke baare mein sochta hoon, tou sharmindagi is baat per hoti hai ke ye list itni choti kyun hai...magar Alhamdulillah, jitne bhi log is mein shamil hain, un per maira sar fakhar se ooncha hota hai ke "Haan, ye hain wo log jo PAKISTANI kehlane ke asal haqdaar hain...ye hain wo log jin se hamein kuch seekhna chahye aur ye hain wo log jinhon ne kuch na hote huey bhi sab kuch kar dikhaya...sirf hamein naheen, Asia ko naheen balkeh SAARI DUNYA ko."

    Is list mein jahan Baani-e-Pakistan Muhammad Ali Jinnah aur Allama Iqbal aate hain, tou un ke saath hi Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan aur Dr. Abdul Salam bhi aate hain...afsos is baat ka hai ke pehle 2 tou aaj bhi hamare dilon mein zinda hain (wo alag baat hai ke hum un ke usoolon ko shayed bhool chuke hain), tou aakhri 2 ko tou hum logon ne kabhi wo maqam, wo izzat aur wo rutba diya hee naheen jis ke wo haqdaar hain.

    Jis din Pakistan ne India ke dhamaakon ka moonh tor jawab diya tha, us din khushi aur musarrat se maire paoon zameen par tik naheen rahe they. Khyal ata tha "Haan, bolo...kis mein himmat hai ke Musalmanon se panga le...Alhamdulillah, hum bhi kisi se kam naheen." Magar jis din Pakistani hukoomat ne Dr. Abdul Qadeer ke hawale se tamam aaed kiye gaye ilzaamat tasleem kiye, us din maira dil khoon ke aansoo roya tha...ke doosre tou ilzaam laga hee rahe the, apnon ko kya hogya jo un ki haan mein haan mila dee. Us aadmi ki izzat khaak mein milaa dee jis ne yaqeenan hum sab ko hifaazat ki aik aur zindagi bakhshi thi.

    Main jab sochta hoon ke sab log baahir jaate hain, job ke liye, paise ke liye...tou ye bhi sochta hoon ke kia is sar zameen ka ham per KOI haq naheen hai...aur agar hai, tou hum wo kaise poora kar sakte hain. Aur Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan ki zindagi is sawal ke jawab ki soorat mein hum sab ke saamne hai. Jinhon ne aa'la ta'leem ke liye baahir ka rukh kiya, haasil kee, aur usey apne liye naheen balkehn apne watan ke liye istemaal kiya...atomic technology ki soorat mein. Magar wo technology bahir us mulk ko naheen becha, apne mafaad ka naheen socha...socha tou sirf ye ke jo haasil kiya hai khud ke liye aur apni zameen ke liye, usey apni asal manzil tak pohncha kar dum lena hai. Wo alag baat hai ke baad mein un ke saath kya hua...magar maira khyal hai ke as students, ham sab ka goal bhi yehi hona chahye.

    Ham log ye kyun samajhne lag gaye hain ke Pakistan ke liye qurbaaniyon ka waqt khatm hogya hai...kya ham log qurbaaniyan naheen de sakte ya Pakistan ko ab qurbaaniyon ki zuroorat naheen reh gaee? Baat saari dil ke azm aur eeman ki pukhtagi ki hoti hai. Jab ye donon hon, tou insaan ko chahe jitna kathan raasta te karna pare, chahe jitni mushkil zindagi guzarni pare, us ka dil mutmain hota hai ke haan, yehi sahee amal hai, yehi sahee raasta hai.



    Once again, an excellent topic Raheel. [IMG]

  4. Raheel Well-Known Member

    thanks for comments saeed [IMG]
    I have got some more topic in my mind as wellinshaAllah agar isi tarah discussion hotee rahee tou is key bad un per bhi baat ho gee..

    bilkul yahee baat hai..humaray heros waqi bahut kam hain aur jo hain hum ne ya tou un ko bhoola diya hai ya un key usoolon ko.really yar, jitna fakhar Qadeer ya Salam ko dekh ker hota hai shayed kisi aur baat per mumkin nahen[IMG]tehreek e Pakistan key heros tou waqi heros hain magar recent past mein bahut kam log hain jo is kabil hon keh un per rashk kia ja sakay
    28th may kay din ki khushi ko bayan kerney key liyay meray pass alfaaz nahen hainaur Dr. Qadeer ki zindagee tou waqi eik muhib e waten insaan ki zindagee ka amlee namoona hai..lakin jab bhi us key baray mein sochta hon tou rona aata hai keh hum ney kiya kia hai us key saath.thats least what I can say[IMG]

    aur jahantak Pakistan ko qurbaniyoun ki zaroorat hai, bilkul sahee aur hum sab ko aisa hi kerna chahiyay...zindagee mein jo kuch aj tak humain mila hai sirf Pakistan ki wajha hi sey tou hai lakin hum ne ab tak Pakistan ko kiya dia hai agar aur kuch nahen tou at least itnaa tou lota dena farz hai hum per jitna hasil kiya hai..

    magar yahan per eik aur baat bhi hai Dr. A Q Khan abhi khattam tou nahen huay naabhi tou na janay who Pakistan key liyay kitna kuch ker saktay hain, woh kuch ker saktay hain jo shayed kissi aur key bas ki baat nahen..tou aj hum un ko wapis un ki position tak laney key liyay tou kuch nahen ker rahay. Jahan beshumar aur tareequn se hum apney mulk ki khidmat ker saktey hain wahan eik raasta yeh bhi tou hai keh hum us azeem insaan ko dubara se us ki zindagi dein, us ka mission dein, us ney jo qurbaniyan dein hain un ki qadar kerain..

    so question ariseswhat should we do for him??..how can we help him??..
    as a student I think this is the best we can do today coz the way Qadeer can help Pakistan is not possible for anyone else to do;[IMG]

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    Fayza! PakFellows Staff

    Walikum assalam [IMG]

    Marvellous topic ray.ain [IMG]

    main yeh samajhti hoon in sab baton ki zimadari kaafi hadd tak parents aur teachers per bhi aaied hoti hai ....aajkal jo new generation hai unko aksar main ne note kia hai unko koi interest nahi kia history hai pakistan ki aur yeh kitni qurbanion kay baad hamein mila hai tou wo kia qadar kar saktay hain aisi soorat main [IMG]

    aaj kal parents k pass itna time hie nahi hai kay wo bachon ko apnay mohsino kay baraymain bataiyen ya phir teachers kay pass bhi itna time nahi kay wo books se hatt kar bhi bachon ko koi knowledge dain ....muje nahi yaad perta kay KABHI BHI kisi teacher ne aaj tak muje yeh bataya ho A Q KHAN kon hain unho ne kia kiya hai pakistan kay liye ??


    hamara almiya hie yehi hai hum kabhi yaad nahi kertay un logon ko jin ki waja se hum duniya kay samnay sar utha ker jee rahe hain

    bohat hie ziada dil dukhta hai aisi soorat e haal ko dekh ker na janay kia banay ga humara

    Khuda ne aaj tak us qoum ki halat nahi badli
    Na ho khayal jis ko khud apni halat badalnay ka

  5. Raheel Well-Known Member

    thanks faiza, for being a part of this discussion, will be waiting for your more participation[IMG]

    really, yeh baat bilkul theek hai, aj kal ki jo younger generation hai who apney sab heros ko bhoolti ja rahee hai, is wajha se nahen keh who la-perwa aur ghair zimadar hain, balkeh is liyay keh unhain kuch bataya hi nahen jata, aur pechhley kuch saalon se halat mazeed kharab hotey ja rahay hain, aj se 10 saal pehlay jab mein chhota sa bacha hota tha tou mujhay yaad hai keh hum log Pakistan kay important days ka kitna intezar kertay thay, 23rd march ho ya 14 august, 25th December ho ya 9th November, 21st april ho ya 11th sep, 6th September ka intezar, aur sirf yahee nahen hota tha keh intezaar kiya aur bas guzar diya, balkeh waqi mein us din Pakistani honey ka ehsaas hota tha, magar aj.aj even bachon ko yeh tak nahen maloom keh kis din ki kiya importance hai,

    is mein media ney bhi kafi role pay kiya hai..aj media per qaumi heros ko tou kabhi yaad nahen kiya jata magar indain heroines aur heros ka ziker bahut ziyada hota hai. Waqi in sab baaton ne mil younger generation ko sochney ki salahiyat se mehroom ker diya hai..aur jab koi baat hotee hai tou keh diya jata hai keh naee nasal kharab ho gaee hai..ab poocha jay keh in ko kharab kerney walay kon hain[IMG]

    well baat kahein ki kahein pahunch gaee hai..sorry for going too deep into that thing..baat general ho gaee hai, Dr. A Q Khan case ko bhi isee ka eik hisa keh lein

    dekhain hum bhi younger generation ka hisa hain..aj agar hum bhi usey tarah bey-his rahein gay tou pakistan kay kiya halat hon gay.. hum mein se mostly her koi yahee samjhta hai keh jo kuch ho raha hai, ghalat ho raha hai..dil se bura jantey hain, zuban se bol bhi detay hain..magar hum is ko haath se kiun nahen roktey..may be bahut saray log haath se rokna bhi chahtey honmagar hum is ko haath se kaisey rokein..konsa tareeqa apnain keh hum ghalat haathon mein na ayeinstudents politics eik laant hai, kiunkeh yeh students ka kaam hai hi nahen..so strikes aur jalooson key ilawa humain konsa tareeqa apnana chahiyay jis se waqi hi koi fayeda ho...

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    Fayza! PakFellows Staff

    My pleasure bro! [IMG] hmm so the thread is no more top rated[IMG] muje andaza tha is baat ka neways

    mein kuch aur aagay berhaon discussion ko[IMG] merey hisaab se kisi bhi nation ko aagay le ker chalnay mein sab se important contribution youth ka hota hai is liye sab se pehle youth ko SUDHARNAY ki zuroorat hai sab se pehle humein sensible, responsible aur realistic bann nay ki zurootay hai jo mera khayal hai hum se must 5 % hie log hon gay[IMG] Is main aik bara kirdar hamray media ka bhi hai aap dekh he saktay hain kitnay prog dhikhaye jatay hain qoumi heros se mutaliq ya history of pakistan se related aur KITNAY log unhien dekhna pasand kertay hain media se kia seekh rahe hain just behudgiyan, batehzeebian aur auron ka culture in sab cheezon ko bohat shouq se apnay ooper apply bhi kertay nazar aatay hain .....aik bohat he ziada afsos ki baat hai kay mein ne aksar logon kay muhn se HINDI WORDS sunay hain ab jo wo normal conversation main use kertay hain

    yeh tou hamara haal hai yehi waja hai aaj bacha SHAH RUKH KHAN tou bannna chahta hai lakin us ko A Q Khan ka naam bhi shaiyd hie pata ho[IMG]

    well, is waqt zuroorat is baat ki hai kay hum allien world se bahir aajaiyen aur realistic ho ker sochien jo bhi koi positive action lena ho sab se pehle apnay ghar se start kerien baad us ko mazeed phailayen[IMG] aur aik ehm baat apnay dil se sachayi se yeh sawal zuroor kerna chaiye kay kia WAQAYI hamary dil main pakistan ki mohabbat hai kia hum Waqyi is kay liye kuch kerna chatay hain Kia hum apnay sab faraiz pooray ker rahe hain ....doosron ko blame kerney se behtar hoga kay yeh dekhien hum KHUD kia ker rahe hain

    taqreer bohat lambi ho jaye gi [IMG] is liye yehin stop kerti hoon .... werna batien tou aur bhi bohat hain dil mein kehnay wali

    muje acha laga gay agar baki sab members bhi yahan aa ker reply kerien tou...is thread ko top rated main ana chaiye phir se [IMG]

  6. heer_malik New Member

    Very nice topic ray.ain.........

    bohat dino se parh rahi hoon, aur apnay app ko rok bhi rahi thi kay yahan reply na karon, per phir bhi ajj reh nahi pai...tau likh rahi hoon....

    app kay aik point pay baat karon gi, kay jo Dr Qadir ke sath howa, us kay baad kon qurbaniyan de ga.......

    tau main app se aik baat poochti hoon, aik mother apnay bachay ke liye har qurbani deti hay tab bhi jab usay sila na milay, isi tarah aik aulad bhi...... tau kya Pakistan hamari maan nahi hay.............kya pakistan ke liye kuch karne ke liye hamain yeh sochna chahiye kay pakistan ne hum ko kya diya........................pakistan hamain de hi kya sakta hay.....wo tau faqat aik zameen ka tukra ya aik naam hay, usay jo kuch bhi dena hay wo tau hamain dena hay, acha naam, acha mustaqbil, achay log, achi hakoomat, dena tau sab kuch hamain hay, phir hum us say kyon umeed rakhtay hain.................aur baaz rishtay aesay hotay jahan insaan phal ki umeed kay baghir hi apna kaam karta rehta hay.........yeh sochay samjhay bina kay usay in return kya mil raha hay wo apna farz imaandari se nibhata hay....

    Tau main bhi yehi kahon gi kay.........................yeh mat socho kay mujhay kya milay ga.........bus apnay watan ke liye jo bhi behter kirdar ada kar saktay ho wo karo, aur sath saath dosron ko bhi educate karo, Aur Inshallah Allah sab janta hay aur wo is ka sila de ga, aur phal aur silay ki umeed wese bhi Allah se hi rakhni chahiye.................kabhi bhi yeh mat sochna kay pakistan nay tumhay kya diya, hamesha yeh sochna kay tum nay pakistan ko kya diya, tum ko kabhi agay barhnay main mushkil paish nahi aye gi.........ajj kal kay dor main agar tum sirf apnay app ko hi acha rakh lo ge, tau yeh tumhara apnay mulk ke liye bohat bara inaam ho ga...............

    is ki choti si example main de deti hoon, kay aksar hum log hospital jatay hain, tau koi na koi refrence dhoondhtay hain kay jaldi se farigh ho jain, tau un baqi sab patients ka kya qasoor hay jin ka refrence nahi hota, wo kyon line main kharay rahain aur app dair se anay kay baad bhi baghair line main kharay howe refrence ki wajah se pehlay under chalay jain aur jaldi farigh ho jain...............isi tarah bijli ki chorri...........ya meter reading kay saath setting, yeh har ghar main hota hay, kyon.........log hoondi se paisa kyon bhaijtay hain jabke achi tarah jantay hain kay is main Pakistan ko nuqsan hay, kyon????....................jab bhi main Pak main rahi.....Mera Allah janta hay kay beshuar refrences honay kay bawah\jood main nay har hospital har public place main line main lag kar apni bari ka intazar kiya, jitay din main rahi, saaf keh diya sab se, kay koi bijli nahi choori kare ga, bill main doon gi jitna bhi aye, mere rehtay kabhi mere ghar se koi sawali khali hath nahi gaya, ghareeb bachay jo choti choti cheezain sarak pay baichtay hain takay wo bheek na mangain, mujhay zaroorat hay ya nahi hay main nay hamesha un se khareeda kay agar ajj main nay inhay dhutkara tau kal yehi bachay disherat ho kar ya tau bheek mangain gain ya choori karain gain, kitnay hi log hoon gain jo un masoom bachon se kuch nahi laitay hoon gain aur dant dapat dete hoon gain, per jab meri hi tarah koi un se kuch laita ho ga tau un main hosla paida hota ho ga..................kay chalo shayed aur koi bhi le lay...........................main apni tareef nahi kar rahi................bus app ko yeh bata rahi hoon, kay apnay chotay chotay kaamon ko parkho, apnay app ko parkhao, apni tashih karo, aesi hi kitni aur bhi choti choti batain hain, jesay sarak per, ya public transport per ya public places pay kachra phainkna, plz plz plz in sab bataon ka khayal rakhain, apnay app ko sahi karain, aur apnay saath saath doosron ko bhi educate karain.....
    bus yeh choti choti bataon ko hi hamain theek karna hay, aur isi tarah ahista ahista hum wahan pohanch jain gain jahan hamain hona chahiye.................

    i hope app ko is sawal ka jwab tau mil gaya ho ga kay hum qurbaniyan dain ya na dain......

    app ki baqi sawalon ka jawab ya us baray main meri o

  7. Raheel Well-Known Member

    @heer_malik

    Thanks for your contributions heer sis,[IMG]
    And why you were stopping yousrlf from replying, this is not fair. Kiya ap nahen chahtein keh eik healthy discussion ho,[IMG]hope so keh inshaAllah in future you will not have any hesitation in participation.[IMG].ideas may vary, here we are to share our ideas.[IMG]

    Well i think ap meree baat ko samjh nahen paein, mein ne eik dafa bhi yeh nahen poocha keh Qurbaniyan deni chahiyay ya nahenof course qurbaniyan tou deni chahiyay hainlakin masla yeh hota hai keh agar Dr. Qadeer key saath yeh ho raha hai tou konse parents hon gey jo yeh chahain gay keh un key bachay bhi issi tarah Qaed mein rahein, aisey hi zehni mareez ban jain, aisey hi un ko heart problem ho, ab yahan per emotionely tou answer yahee ho ga keh her kissi ko Dr Qadeer ko follow kerna chahiyay, magar realistic world mein yeh nahen hota naaj agar Dr. Khan humara hero hota, aj agar us ko woh position milli hotee jis ka woh haqdar tha tou her koi us ko follow kertamein ne baat yeh ki thee keh jab humaray samney achhi misalein mojood hon tou achha kaam kerney mein asaani ho geeideally humain Pakistan key liyay kuch bhi kerney k liyay kuch sochney ki zaroorat nahen..magar HAQEEQAT mein dekhain tou aisa nahen hai..bahut kam log hon gay jo sab mushkilat mein bhi Pakistan ka saath dein gay

    Aur yeh baat nahen heer sis keh Pakistan ney humain kuch nahen diya aur kuch nahen dey saktapakistan eik zameen ka tukra nahen hai naaj hum jo kuch bhi hain jahan bhi hain sab kuch Pakistan ki wajha se tou hainsab kuch issee mulk ney hi tou diya haiaj puri duniya mera naam Pakistan ki wajha se hai hai, aj jis university mein perhta hon woh Pakistan ney diya hai , aj mein jo bhi facilities use kerta hon woh Pakistan ki hain..aj agar duniya mein koi bhi mujhay pehchnta hai tou Pakistan ki wajha se..pakistan key rehney waloon key liyay sab kuch Pakistan hi ka haiyeh kaisey mumkin hai keh ap ko ap key mulk ney kuch na diya hopakistan se bahir bhi chalay janay waloon ki jo shanakht hai who pakistan hi hai..ab identity se berh ker tou kuch hai hi nahen[IMG][IMG]..

    Aur sis iss duniya mein sab log baraber nahen hotey na, thats y yeh kehna keh refrences aur cheating sab kertey hain will not be fair [IMG], yeh woh log hain jo Pakistan key dushmin hain aur inhi logon ney Pakistan ko sab se ziyada nuqsan pahunchaya hai

    Jahan tak baat indivisually theek honey ki hai, sis u r 100% rite, jab tak insaan khud theek nahen ho ga woh kissi ko kaisey theek ker sakta hai, hum sab burayiun se bechna ho ga, apney ap ko her achhay kaam key liyay waqf kerna ho ga
    Lakin sis humain sirf apney ap ko nahen badlna, humain eik fard ki haseeyat se nahen sochna, hum eik qaum hain, humara eik, mulk hai, eik society hain, humain sab ko theek kerna ho ga kiunkeh yeh hamara farz haihumain Pakistan key liyay sochna ho ga

    Jo mera main question tha keh hum Dr A Q Khan key liyay kia ker saktay hain, kia humain us key liyay kuch nahen kerna chahiyay, jab mein ne apney ap ko theek ker liya tou kia us waqt tak wait keron jab Pakistan key sab log theek ho jain, phir hakoomat theek ho, phir Pakistan grow kery ga.magar yeh tou pata nahen kab ho (is mein na umeedi aur mayousi nahen hai, sirf realistic soch hai)ab jo halat hain un mein hum kiya ker saktey hain.kiya hum (Pakistani awam) itney kamzoor hain keh eik hero ko nahen bacha saktey

    Sorry for anything wrong[IMG].i know it have got the difference of thoughts but dont take them as offensive comments and plzzz keep on sharing your views, shayed hum

  8. Raheel Well-Known Member

    @faiza

    Thanks for liking the thread, when I was creating it tou mujhay idea tha keh is mein replies bahut kam hon geebut I vent created it for replies or to make it top rated (literally it is so)bas mera dil kerta hai keh kuch positive ker sakein hum..kuch aisa kerain keh dil mutmain ho keh han aj pakistan key liyay kuch kiya hai hum ney[IMG]..though abhi hum sirf discuss ker rahay hain

    Truly media ney bahut important role play kiya hai n also jo baat ap ney point out ki hai keh log hindi boltey hain, aj kal ap dekh lein jo bhi Indian movie hit ho jay..sab log us key dialogue boltey rehtay hainmagar kiun???.....kia aj tak kissi ney Quaid aur Iqbal ki Quotes ko aisey yaad kiya hai ya kabhi bola hai (except in two cases..one is joking. Secondly, in some essay or speech or debate so that they make it impressivehuh eik aur jagha bhi tou use kertay hain hum...yeh jo banners n posters laga detay hainafsoos hota hai yeh sab dekh ker)truly aj lagta hai keh humaray ideals India walay hainhum ne sab kuch bhula diya hai[IMG]

    May be hum mein se jo log sochtay hain Pakistan key liyayrealistic ban kerakser ko pata nahen chalta keh kia kerainI hate politics, mujhay koi stikes pasand nahen hainI m unable to find a way keh jis tarah mein Dr Qadeer ki madad ker sakoon, coz mujhay yeh sab se afsoos nak baat lagtee hai..baqi sab issues bhi bahut important hain lakin eik qaumi hero ko us ki position per laana bhi impotant hai[IMG]eik feeling aata hai keh yahan bhi humain eik revolution ki zaroorat hai... bilkul 1947 ki tarahinqalab e Iran ki tarahmagar yeh sab kaisey kokoi fasad na ho aur zindagi bhi behter ho jayinshaAllah pakistan bahut oper jay ga...bas thora sa waqt aur kuch mukhlis logon chahiyay...

    Aur ye hap ney taqreer word ghalat use kiya hai[IMG]..yeh tou dil ki baatein hain..aur long reply achha hi hota hai keh zyada baatein share ho jaatee hain but agar koi first time thread dekhay ga tou us key liyay itna sab perhna thora sa (may be bahut zyada ) difficult ho gaanyways
    Allah hum sab ko neik rah dikhay aur Pakistan ko waqi mein Qila e Islam bana dey[IMG]
    Allah Hafiz

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    Zakariyya Well-Known Member

    Assalamoalaikum, ray ain bhai,

    mainepoori aapki thread arhi and I will INshaAllah post my comments on it later.

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    Zakariyya Well-Known Member

    Assalamoalaikum, ray ain bhai,

    mainepoori aapki thread arhi and I will INshaAllah post my comments on it later. and a very good topic bhai, MashaAllah

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  10. umarjatala Well-Known Member

    Ray bro very good topic i apricate abt this topic.

  11. umarjatala Well-Known Member

    n it's very informative too.

  12. Raheel Well-Known Member

    @umar
    thanks[IMG]

    @heer_mailk

    exactly ap ne bilkul theek kaha hai keh hum achhai ka credit khud ley letay hain aur burai pakistan key sir daal detay hain, its 100% true. pakistani aur pakistan lazim o malzoom hain. so yeh approach bilkul ghalat hai. i totally agree with you

    yeh ap ney theek kaha hai keh humain pakistan key liyay her qurbani deni chahiyay aur kissi reward ki expectation nahen rekhni chahiyay hain. aisa hona chahiyay, pehlay bhi mein ne yahee kaha tha keh aisay hona chahiyay[IMG],
    mager actually aisa nahen hai na. agar ap haqeeqat mein dekhain tou aisa bilkul nahen hai...97 mein jab qadeer was a hero tou sab log chahtey thay keh un key bachay bhi aisa hi kaam kerain....literally i have seen many people jo aisa chahtay thay magar aj jab qadeer ki position eik criminal wali bana dee gai hai tou ab koi Qadeer ko idealize nahen kerta...i m again saying keh aisa hona chahiyay keh us ko follow kerain magar in reallity aisa nahen hai..thats y mein keh raha hon keh role model honey chahiyay, ta keh un ko follow kerney mein aasani ho..

    aur Dr. Qadeer se pehlay bhi aisey log they, Qadeer aya aur bhi log aatay rahein gay. is duniya mein achhay log hain aur aatay rahain gey, magar jo kaam Dr. Qadeer ker saktey hain woh kaam kissi aur key bas ki baat nahen hai, aur second baat yeh hai keh agar aj Qadeer ki postion bahut achhi hotee tou bahut saray log un ko follow kertay, is se pakistan ko bahut fayeda ho sakta hai...

    eik chhoti se baat hai keh aj mostly log apney bachon ko Doctor, Engineer ya jo bhi kamyab field ho us mein sirf iss liyay bejhtey hain (jaisa keh merit lists mein dekha ja sakta hai) keh unhain nazar aa raha hota hai keh yahan per fayeda hai, aisey hi agar Dr. Qadeer aj bahut achhi post per hota tou bahut sey log us ko bhi follow kertey..so eik tou Dr. Qadeer ki Qurbaniun ki qarar aur un ki izat ki jay aur is liyay bhi keh hum logon ko eik achha role model dey sakein...tareekh bhi Gawah rahay keh waqi pakistani awam ney waqi apney mohsin ka saath diya[IMG]

    i will wait for your answer regarding what we should do...


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    Zakariyya Well-Known Member

    Assalamoaalikum,

    Bhai main ne most replies parhee aur uch kuch samajh main aya mujhe english main likhi hui urdu se BOHOT problem hoti he kher.

    Mujhe jo samajh main aya woh ye he ke aap ne yahan Dr. Abdul qadeer Khan ka bola aur phir mujhe nahin pata tha, thank you so much ke aapne bataya ke un ke saath kya hua, yanee unko as a criminal accept kar diya he hamare mulk ne because he accused of stealing the atomic technology secrets and bringing them to pakistan.... and now for all that he did for his country, he is rewarded with so much disrespect. And the country is not recognising him as a hero which should be and now what can we do for him so that at least he can be given the recognition and resect that he desrves, am I right?


    bhai mera khyaal he na what ever is hapeniing around us there are some ways to stop the undesirables, the first is to get up to the front and stop it wiht your own hands and theres also a way to write or talk about it, debate about it, spread the word and protest about it.

    here the thing you are tslking about it involves the government, first of all we do not have a democratic government that we have chosen ourselves so it will do what the public says , agar ham sab bara protest karain tab bhi a decision taken by the government will not change, its not chosen by us and it doesnt need us to thin good about it to elect it, its a forced government which will do whatever it wants.

    dr. abdul Qadeer is our hero, he gave our country recognition and security, not just us, that is youth but all of the people who belong to the country wether old or young should recognise that fact, and we should hold im high in our heart and minds and should personally respect him and teach our kids and family to respect him. The way for that is the way what you did ray ain bhai,

    spread the word, talk about his achievement, write about his achievement, logon ko ihsaas dilana.

    When he sees his name in the newspaper all the time, magazines, people talking good about him, peopple meeting him with enthusiasm then he will forget what the governemnt did and will be proud of his people and will feel motivated and good about what he did.

    We should try and make him popular talk about him, I will talk to my son about him today InshaAllah I think he is now old enough to remember names and its important for him to know what heros did for my country so he tries to be like them. I talk to him about religious figures and now he remembers Alhamdolillah.

    If there is a general feeling of good and respect towards him from the public of our country then if the government does something out of pressure of enemies who do not want pakistan to prosper or any other reason then at least Dr. Abdul Qadeer would be happy that his people love him and his sacrifice was not wasted.

    The way the government handled him is not as bad as the public failing to give him the honour, we should not have the annual dayof blast, infact we should have some special day when all the newsapers print articls about the person who made it possible and many people I know love him for what he did and respect him including myself and my family, I think there are not many people who will not like him or blame him or call him a criminal but the only thing is to make the feeling so loudly heard that Dr. Abdul Qadeer will hear it too and smile, even if he has hurt in his heart by the leaders....

  13. Raheel Well-Known Member

    Wa alaikum salam ayesha sis,
    ap key views perh ker bahut achha laga[IMG]

    you have exactly got the rite thing of whole thread. I purposely omitted the intro n events of Dr. Qadeers life because that may have suppressed the purpose of threadwhat we are doing today??most of us know everything about Qadeer, his sacrifices, what was done to him and what r we doing now. Aur waisey bhi Dr Qadeer key baray mein janney key liyay u can use the web search engines, bahut zyada data mil jay ga but u will seldom see a discussion like this going on..

    yeah u r rite, we dont have any democracy (in real) in Pakistan. If we have a deep look on things, it will become clear that HE (mr president) is doing everything on his own. The selected party is under him, the prime minister n all other important positions, well this is another thing, though I m against the govt. but I dont wanna go in politics now. But it is a fact that if people want they can change the world, Ayub Khan was also in almost same kind of position as now HE is. Anyways leave itsorry for going off-topic

    I totally agree with you that we should tell the younger generation about him, tell them that they have a great hero who sacrificed everything for Pakistan, who gave Pakistan strength, who saved Pakistan when India was about to attack n many more words about himbut think if the child questions you..why he is in a jail like place today??, why people dont love him as much as he deserves??, why 150 billion plus people cant save him??..i dont think any of us will be able to make the little one understand the conditions of today, I think its our weaknesses that are stopping us from doing well, many of us (not every one) even dont think about him..

    Again sis you are rite that we should make people feel that he is a gem, a gold, a precious person, to whom we should express our love. I know most of us rather I should say all of us respect him, love him, but today we are not thinking about himso we should make the people realize that they should still have the hero with themso that if not now, one day everyone will inshaAlllah talking about him n his greatnessthat was what I considered the best. We friends do have discussions about him n other issues, discussions that even continued hours n hours so I tried to have a discussion here toothough yeh eman ka mazboot tareen darja nahen hai, humain apney eman ko mazeed taqatwar banany ki zaroorat hai..aye Allah humarey eman ko itna mazboot ker keh hum buraee ko hath se rok sakein..i think we should have discussion that may result in something positive oneday[IMG]

    Sis, Thank you, so much for being a part of this discussionn for thinking to discuss Dr. Khan with your son[IMG]..inshaAllah oneday zakariyya will be the PROUD OF PAKISTANINSHAALLAH.. mujhay khushi ho rahee hai keh meree is eik chhoti se koshish ke wajha se eik positive kaam ho raha haiham sab ko Dr. Qadeer ka pata hai, respect bhi kertey hain magar life hi itnee busy hotee hai[IMG]

    I have tried to use English as major language in this post so I think I will be a little easy for you[IMG]
    Allah Hafiz

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    Assalamoalaikum Bhai,

    I understand and write urdu very wel infact I write articles in urdu and sometimes poetry too, but only in urdu alphabets, keyboard english ka ho to phir mujhe roman urdu parhne main mushkil hotee he [IMG] I am not the person who is proud to speak / write englsih infact I am a very strictly language preserving person who has taught my son ONLY pushtu and he doesnt understand english even though his father only speaks french and englsih so aankh marne ki zaroorat nahin [IMG][IMG][IMG]

    And I also ahve to say something to Faiza and heer:

    Paksitan is just like any otehr country, some people are good some are bad, yes technologically we may be a bit behind but there are dirty palces like new york, chicago, london, milan, rome , there is trash on the streets in any country, pakistan is just one fo them.

    people have awarness of justice and cleanliness everywhere and there are opposites everywhere if we judge a country by the number of people speakign fluent perfect english in it then it is our weakness.
    these people who are so un intelligent that they cannot see the basic fact that Allah is one then how can we call them wise people?
    No matter what they make, how perfect, since they do not believe in Allah and dont have His guidance or connection then it will always be faulty and they will ALways suffer from humiliation and defeat.

    The ultimate success is in the following of Allah's commands and the reason why we are suffering humiliations because of our weak faith not because of education, technology blah blah. If a man is illiterate, doesnt know abc of computer but he is true in his faith Allah will make him a leader and a respectable man in both the East and the West but the only and only reason we are not respected is because we are muslims yet we live our lives following hollywood and bollywood movies and dramas and songs, how shameful!

    We have many edcated people in our country, clean pleaces naturally beautiful sceneries, kind hearted soft spoken intelligent people, so many people here have spoken wiht hira, spotlessoul, talking to her is really like a lifes strange experience for me and she lives in pakistan, studies there, not a person from abroad or anything that the schoola broad may have taught her her intelligence. My point being that the tye of people on earth are randonly distributed not country to country sorted. We just do NOt have a strong faith and hence are suffering from what the Prophet Mohammad Sallalahoalaihi wasallam prophesised:

    " and most of them will be like the foam on the ocean flying here to there with the air" this is the interpretation of the hadees.


    We do not lack anything, most of us in big cities are educated. IN my village a small place in district charsadda called umarzai, the kids never went to school they wore don the farms with my granddad and the girls worked in the house for my grandma., only the zameendar of our grandad his kids went to school, and now no girl works in our grand pas house no boy works on his farms, its suc a small village and AL the kids go to school. this change was within the last 8 years.
    In the whole district there have been many changes , theres many new schools to meet the requirement, there is almost 0% child labour in our village now, there are computer schools, higher colleges and I think even a university now.

    If eductaion were the standard then we would be a lot better than before but anyway, this is just one of the things, the major thing is to strengthen our faith.

    and ray ain bhai I am saying that the word should not be spread just among the new generations, but old too, EVRYONE who lives in Pakistan should be made aware of the great sacrifices and work the Dr. Abdul Qadeer has done.
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